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Atheists All: Brent Allsop, Karl Hale, Dale Carrico and I

Brent Allsop, a director of the Mormon Transhumanist Association, describes himself as a Mormon atheist. You may be wondering (along with Aubrey de Grey, I've been told) whether that's some kind of joke. Well, no. It's not a joke. Brent is entirely serious about both his Mormonism and his atheism. As I understand the matter, his faith is directed at a God that doesn't exist . . . yet, and he's persuaded that Mormonism has something to offer in the effort to create and become that God.

Karl Hale, also a director of the MTA, doesn't typically describe himself as an atheist, yet there may have been an atypical moment. Karl, subsequent to a discussion about the Simulation Argument, considered the demographics of Transhumanists and wondered aloud why so many are atheists. Chris Bradford (yes, another director of the MTA) replied with a question, "Do you believe in supernatural beings?" Karl then stood and loudly declared himself an atheist. I wasn't there, but that's what I remember of the story.

Dale Carrico, about whom I blogged previously, is neither Mormon nor theist -- nor Transhumanist, nor bioconservative, nor technoprogressive. He is, however, an atheist of the assuredly "crusty" and "cheerfully nonjudgmental" sort. He criticizes Transhumanist advocates of immortality for being too much like theists in their superlative rhetoric, which does not sufficiently address "the gap between an essentially theological concept exhibited as a trait by nothing on earth and a presumably proximately engineerable outcome". The unstated implication is that at least some (all?) concepts of theism have not been and presumably never will be manifest in our concrete experience of the world. I wonder if this reveals something of the source of Dale's atheism.

When I read Joshua's biblical challenge to choose a god, I am reminded of the apostle Paul's observation that there are many gods. How, then, shall we choose? As my friend, Leonard Reil, once put it: the question is not whether a particular god exists, but rather whether that god will save you. Can the only-superlative god save you? Only if the practical consequences of your faith do not matter for your salvation. Faith in the only-superlative god manifests itself in the environmental problems of our day -- why bother caring for the Earth if god's omnipotence can take us all away before it matters? Such faith manifests itself in our international hostility -- why not bring on the war to end all wars if that's what god's perfectly infallible foreknowledge mandates? That only-superlative faith even manifests itself in our relations with our neighbors -- why should I spend time with them when they've rejected the absolute word of god and are certainly going to hell? The practical consequence of generally consistent faith in the only-superlative God is descent toward nihilism. If God is only a superlative (or even a host of superlatives), I too am an atheist. Yet, even here and perhaps especially here, the hand raised to finish the dying god is the sign of the oath to the resurrecting God.

Because a lazy thinker somewhere is likely to interpret this post as evidence that the MTA is an evil cult of demon worshipers, I should add the following for the record:

1) Brent is among the most compassionate persons I know -- despite fear-inspired stereotypes, atheism simply doesn't negatively correlate with compassion.

2) Karl and I expressly identify as theists, as do most members of the MTA. Although we have faith in God, we do not always believe everything every theist ever believes about God.

3) Dale really is a worshiper of demo . . . uh . . . crats. Sorry, Dale, but demonizing antagonists has always worked perfectly! ;-)

A Non-Superlative Disagreement with Dale Carrico on Human Finitude

Dale Carrico, a lecturer in the Department of Rhetoric at the University of California Berkeley, is an intelligent and articulate antagonist of Transhumanism. He interacts regularly with some influential Transhumanists, and is well acquainted with the ideology -- better acquainted than any other antagonist that I know of. I've recently begun reading his blog, and consider it remarkably insightful.

While I've found many areas of agreement with Dale, such as recognition that our experience lends itself to complex and dynamic interpretations that correspond to superlatives only abstractly if at all, I don't share his faith in human finitude -- for precisely the same reason that I do share with him the rejection of concrete and absolute manifestations of superlatives in our experience. I do not expect to experience (nor do I consider it practically beneficial to pursue experience of) a concrete and absolute manifestation of finitude. I have found infinitude in my experience to at least the same degree and frequency as I've found finitude, yet neither has been absolute. This could be over-simplistically interpreted as a mere contradiction in terms, but is rather intended as a sort of paradoxical signpost pointing in a direction that I, and others, have found desirable and fulfilling to travel -- with both feet, despite the possibility of construing the left foot to be a contradiction of the right. No absolute end is expected, neither in the absolute infinite nor in the absolute finite. We recognize both as abstractions that approximate our experience, which itself is heavily abstracted prior to our conscious awareness of it (presumably).

In religious terms, my faith is in an eternal God that recurrently becomes God, an immortal God that dies and resurrects, and an omniscient and omnipotent God that progresses in knowledge and power. Without beginning, this God reorganizes worlds without end, through beginnings and endings. This is a God of life, in all its dynamic concrete complexity and its static abstract simplicity. This is a God of love, working endlessly for full reconciliation of our wills, desires and laws. I have worshiped as a slave, now as a child, and yet would be a friend in grace and works, without pity or pride. I would become one with the eternal God, even if it requires eternity.

I desire superlative life, in quantity and quality, rather than superlative death. So I express and work toward that desire, not actually desiring that the abstract superlative displace the concrete experience, but knowing confidently that some truths depend on our will for their realization, however dynamic and complex that realization may be . . . reflecting a dynamic and complex truth.

Final Message from Arthur C Clarke

Arthur C Clarke, science fiction writer and science popularizer, died in Sri Lanka earlier this week. He leaves with us an extraordinary legacy of entertainment and inspiration. In a final public message, available for you to view below, he mentioned that the power of our technology does not displace the importance of tolerance and compassion. Humanity should learn to think and act as one family. Couple this compassion with optimism, and we may yet realize and exceed the far-sighted visions expressed in Clarke's writings. This is a hope worthy of our faith.




I Am a Child of God

I just finished putting my three-year-old son to bed. When first entering his bedroom, I couldn't see him. Knowing, though, that he likes to hide, I wondered aloud whether he was hiding. There was no sound. It was almost too quiet, but I thought I'd look behind the large chair in the corner. He was there, his big head smiling. I put in place his pillow. He ran and jumped into bed, and helped me zip him into his sleeping bag. We prayed together, thanking God for our family and friends, and asking to be blessed with happiness and kindness. Then we sang, head next to head on the pillow, the song we usually sing ...

I am a child of God,
And he has sent me here,
Has given me an earthly home
With parents kind and dear.

Lead me, guide me, walk beside me,
Help me find the way.
Teach me all that I must do
To live with him someday.

While singing, he put out his hand. His fingers, still rounded with what's left of his baby fat, rested softly on my arm. It's hard to describe the beauty of the feeling, but everyone that has loved knows it. If you and I, with our relatively limited hearts and minds, feel so for our most intimate creations, how much more might another, sublime by comparison, feel for her most intimate creation. Surely a God, pregnant with a world, would sing and weep wondrously in her love.

The Universe IS the Neohuman



I've mentioned before, but want to make more explicit here, the idea that there seems to be no reason to distinguish between a computed world and the neohuman (or posthuman) computing it. As the Simulation Argument goes, if ever we create a significant number of computed worlds then we are almost certainly already living in one.
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